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From: Jay Schuster <SCHUSTER@SU-SCORE.ARPA>     Subject: Net Mail

This note describes how to send mail to computers that are reachable only via
UUCP/USENET or BITNET (not directly via ARPAnet, Internet or the Stanford


The address of a uucp node is "host1!host2!...!hostn!user".  You specify the
complete routing of the message.  Host1 sends it to host2 which sends it to
host2, and so on.  The trick is to send this address to an ARPA/Internet node
that recognizes that this is a uucp address and will send it over the usenet.
Two such nodes are Shasta and ucb-vax.  I am also told that Shasta knows of
the following uucp sites:

	tshasta, su-ada, decwrl, olympus, Castro, Folsom,
	csl-vax, cslvax, diablo, glacier, whitney, ucbvax,
	coraki, mazama, Reyes, solar, mseonyx, megates, hplabs,
	menlo70, ucsfcgl, hpda, sun, logitec, adobe, rsi,
	oracle, pyrcorp, pyramid, imagen, plx, acorn, cdp,
	researc, dagobah

(but what about genrad and decvax?).  So an example address would be
"decvax!cornell!jay", to send (slow) usenet mail to my old
Cornell account.

Usenet is slow because it works over the phone at each system's own time.  I
have had uucp mail take over a week to get to me.  But then, it is also an
easier to get into network, requiring no special equipment and as long as one
node knows about you, you can get mail from any other.

Thank you Tim Mann and Tim Gonsalves for this information.


Bitnet was originally intended to be an interuniversity network, but since IBM
has a node on it, I don't consider it to be such anymore.  It routes things
like Usenet, but you don't need to specify the routing yourself.  It can be
cumbersome, because it was originally intended for IBM machines.  (I know a
friend who was trying to go directly from Usenet to Bitnet and was running
into problems like only eight character usernames allowed and it has to be in
all uppercase or something else weird like that).

The way to send to Bitnet from Arpanet is to send an address
"user%host.BITNET" to an ARPA node that recognizes this as a Bitnet address.
Two such nodes are Berkeley and ucb-vax.  I hear, however, that sometimes the
Berkeley mailer gets hung.  So an example address would be


to send mail to another of my old Cornell accounts.  Another way is to send to
""@ucb-arpa . Eventually, ITS will become a Bitnet gateway and you
can send stuff to Forsythe instead of Berkeley or ucb-vax.

Thank you Tim Mann, Tim Gonsalves, Arun Swami, Eric Berg, and Richard Treitel
for this information.

∂19-Nov-84  0946	SCHUSTER@SU-SCORE.ARPA 	Bitnet mail
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Date: Mon 19 Nov 84 09:40:28-PST
Subject: Bitnet mail
To: su-bboards@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: Schuster@SU-SCORE.ARPA

More Bitnet information, both good and bad.  First, the bad news:

	Berkeley (specifically UCBUNIXG) sent mail to all bitnet users
	that use their gateway at UCBUNIXG telling them that this
	gateway was originally intended for internal use only and that
	they were going to make it disappear as of 1 Feb 85.  Now,
	the letter was phrased very nastily, but they were complaining
	about the volume of mail they were receiving and saying that
	the official Bitnet-to-Arpanet gateway is at Wisconsin and the
	official Bitnet-to-UUCP gateway is at UPenn and that those
	gateways are what people should be using.

	Unfortunately, the only Bitnet mail I receive is from Cornell,
	where the mailer automagically routes it through UCBUNIXG.
	Sounds like I'm in a jam.

But now the good news:

	Jim Nisbet at Forsythe (GG.JDN@Forsythe) tells me that Forsythe
	has been set up as a Stanford gateway.  So now you can send
	mail to "user%host.bitnet@forsythe" to get mail to bitnet.  So
	now you don't have to use the evil Berzerklians computers.  (I mean
	the note was really nasty.)

	Now, you ask, how do my bitnet friends get mail to me without using
	UCBUNIXG (or even Arpanet, which officially isn't supposed to be
	an intermail network) (but then Arpanet isn't supposed to be a
	lot of things it gets used for).  Well, if they send mail to
	"mailer@forsythe" (forsythe is a bitnet node), and make the first
	line of their message be "to: schuster@score", for example,
	the Forsythe mailer will send the mail to me.  Presumably I do not
	want to get your mail, so you would substitute "youruser@yourhost".

So that's the news.  In the meantime, I would suggest that if you get any
mail that is automagically routed through UCBUNIXG, that you send mail to
the person responsible for the mailer and tell them that they shouldn't do
that anymore.

Questions about what berkeley is doing should go to:
	David Wasley <dlw%ucbjade.bitnet@forsythe>
And questions about Wisconsin's gateway should go to:
	Dave Ward <ward%wiscvm.bitnet@forsythe>
	(but wiscvm is the name of an arpa node, so you might also try:

I hope this helps people who might be having problems come February.

-- jay